SHOW NOTES What will church look like and be like in the post pandemic era? We discuss pastors inner worlds and implications for the new wine that is coming! A stirring, provocative conversation which will rattle and stretch us from these two seasoned veterans who work in the subterranean world of helping church leaders!

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SHOW NOTES

What will church look like and be like in the post pandemic era? We discuss pastors inner worlds and implications for the new wine that is coming!

A stirring, provocative conversation which will rattle and stretch us from these two seasoned veterans who work in the subterranean world of helping church leaders!

Meet Special Guest Dr. Chuck DeGroat

Chuck is Professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality at Western Theological Seminary Holland MI, and Co-Founder and a Senior Fellow at Newbigin House of Studies, San Francisco. He is a licensed therapist, author, retreat leader, and spiritual director. Chuck has been married to Sara for 25 years, and has two daughters.

Chuck has spent the last 20+ years in a dynamic combination of pastoral ministry, seminary teaching, and clinical counseling. His books are practical and pastoral, meeting readers at the intersection of our spiritual journeys and the very real struggles we experience.