Effective leaders work very hard to succeed, but often at the cost of their own souls. They are challenged to keep themselves emotionally and spiritually healthy in order to survive success to keep their humanity intact. This is the work within the work, and the topic of today’s podcast.

Today we turn the tables as we re-air an interview Steve gave to Warren Smith, publisher of "WORLD "magazine, and producer and host of the nationally syndicated radio program "Listening In."