Episode 106 - The Future of the Church with Aaron Niequist

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“So deconstruction is not demolition, demolition is easy. You just rent a bulldozer, knock it all down. That’s easy. That’s not all that courageous - you can knock things down. But deconstruction, to say there is some good here and there is some toxicity here. How do I do the work to humbly enter in to take this piece, pull this layer back to explore? It’s more about curiosity. But it’s also so difficult. People underestimate the pain. The pain that initiates deconstruction, and then the pain of doing the deconstruction. ”

— Aaron Niequist

Aaron Niequist is our guest today, and his discussion with Steve is vulnerable, honest, and courageous. Steve asks, what will the church of the future look like? (and Aaron gives an answer that might surprise you!) And what can we envision now to help us lay the foundation for a church we both need and want? We were deeply moved and encouraged by what Aaron had to say, and believe you will be also. Welcome to our conversation with Aaron Niequist.

About Aaron Niequist

Aaron Niequist is a liturgist, writer, and pastor in New York City. After leading worship at Mars Hill Church (Grand Rapids, MI) and Willow Creek Church (Barrington, IL), he created A New Liturgy - a collection of modern liturgical worship recordings. He then curated a discipleship-focused, formational, ecumenical, practice-based community at Willow Creek called “The Practice”. Aaron has written his first book, The Eternal Current, about a practice-based faith, and creating resources to help others flesh it out. The best part of his life is his wife Shauna, and their sons Henry and Mac. 

• AaronNiequist.com

• A New Liturgy Project

• The Eternal Current Podcast

• BOOK: The Eternal Current: How a Practice-Based Faith Can Save Us From Drowning

Mentioned in podcast

• Shauna Niequist

• The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

• Phyllis Tickle

• Eugene Peterson

• Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7)

• A meditation on the beatitudes (Liturgy Project)

• Red-Letter Edition of the Bible

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 32:06 – Drowning (Instrumental) by Haakon Haug

• Second Music Break at 55:58 – The Road Home by Stephen Paulus, performed by Stanford Chamber Chorale

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Episode 105 - Change the Way you Look at the Bible with Pete Enns

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“The Bible is sort of like a means of grace. It’s almost like it’s not a sacrament, but it’s almost like a sacrament. It’s something you engage and by the act of engaging it and even struggling with it, you’re actually communing with God in some way.”

— Pete Enns

This is an honest and invigorating conversation with Dr. Peter Enns, scholar and author.  Steve explores What is the Bible? How do we interpret the Bible in today’s world? 

Controversial evangelical Bible scholar, popular blogger, podcast host of The Bible for Normal People, and author of The Bible Tells Me So and The Sin of Certainty, Dr. Peter Enns explains that the Bible is not an instruction manual or rule book but a powerful learning tool that nurtures our spiritual growth by refusing to provide us with easy answers but instead forces us to acquire wisdom.

Is the Bible authoritative in our daily life and world events?  

What did God have in mind in offering us 66 books?

This is a conversation that will disturb some of us and challenge others. It’s time to re-think the Bible in light of the Bible becoming a weapon to beat up each other with.

About Peter Enns

Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias, and is the author of several books, including The Sin of Certainty, How the Bible Actually Works, and The Bible Tells Me So.  

• Learn more about Pete

• Pete’s Website

• The Bible for Normal People Podcast

Mentioned in podcast

• Psalms 26:4-5

• Psalms 13

• Psalms 139:12

• Psalm 73

• Beldon Lane Podcast “Nature and the Soul.”

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 38:46: River Flows in You by James Bartholomew

• Second Music Break at 1:02:07:  Cantate Domino – Performed by Abbaye Notre-Dame de Fidélité.

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Episode 104 - The Closing of the American Mind, Part 2

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“Once you've learned the power of perspective, you can just eventually put your telescope down and look at things as they really are and know that you have the power and the ability to deal with whatever crosses your path.”

We’ve got Part 2 of our conversation with Tom Morris today - so much wisdom in 34 minutes! Take some time to slow down and listen in to this great discussion on embracing uncertainty.

Special Guest Tom V. Morris

Tom Morris has become one of the most active public philosophers in the world due to his unusual ability to bring the greatest wisdom of the past into the challenges of the present.

A native of Durham, North Carolina and a Distinguished Alumnus of Durham Academy, Tom was a Morehead-Cain Scholar at the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill, which has honored him, along with Michael Jordan, as a recipient of their "Distinguished Young Alumnus Award." He holds two masters degrees as well as a joint Ph.D. in both Philosophy and Religious Studies from Yale University, as well as other, honorary doctorates in recognition of his public work of bringing practical philosophy back into the cultural mix. Tom served for fifteen years as a Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, where he quickly became a campus legend, in many years having an eighth of the entire student body in his classes. Recent projects involve novels, nonfiction books, and a script for an immersive theatrical experience featuring AI and the robotics of five hundred years in the future. He is a firm believer that ideas rock the world. Tom is now Chairman of the Morris Institute for Human Values in Wilmington, NC.

• Tom’s Website

Mentioned in podcast

• Action Step - Read Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7)

• Tom’s books mentioned:

  • The Oasis Within

  • If Aristotle Ran General Motors

• Leadership Next Podcast with Alan Murray (Fortune)

• Books by British scientist and philosopher Michael Polanyl

  • Personal Knowledge

  • Tacit Knowing

• Books by Adam Smith

  • Wealth of Nations

  • Treatise on the Virtues (aka The Theory of Moral Sentiments)

• Inside Job: Doing the Work Within by Stephen W. Smith

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 11:13 – Stolen Land by Line Neesgaard. From www.Epicsound.com

• Second Music Break at 32:06 – There Will Be Rest by Frank Ticheli. Based on a poem by Sara Teasdale, Performed by Kantorei.
  
  

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Episode 103 - The Closing of the American Mind, Part 1

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Welcome to the 7th Season of the podcast! We are excited to begin the season with our special guest Tom Morris, a prolific author and philosopher who will chat with Steve about the difference between education and indoctrination; how uncertainty is the canvas on which all our lives are painted; and how we should walk in uncertainty, mystery, and doubt without rushing quickly to find fact and theory.

Thanks for joining us today!

Special Guest Tom V. Morris

Tom Morris has become one of the most active public philosophers in the world due to his unusual ability to bring the greatest wisdom of the past into the challenges of the present.

A native of Durham, North Carolina and a Distinguished Alumnus of Durham Academy, Tom was a Morehead-Cain Scholar at the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill, which has honored him, along with Michael Jordan, as a recipient of their "Distinguished Young Alumnus Award." He holds two masters degrees as well as a joint Ph.D. in both Philosophy and Religious Studies from Yale University, as well as other, honorary doctorates in recognition of his public work of bringing practical philosophy back into the cultural mix. Tom served for fifteen years as a Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, where he quickly became a campus legend, in many years having an eighth of the entire student body in his classes. Recent projects involve novels, nonfiction books, and a script for an immersive theatrical experience featuring AI and the robotics of five hundred years in the future. He is a firm believer that ideas rock the world. Tom is now Chairman of the Morris Institute for Human Values in Wilmington, NC.

• Tom’s Website

Mentioned in podcast

• Tom’s books mentioned:

  • The Oasis Within

  • Plato's Lemonade Stand - Stirring Change Into Something Great

• Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Richard Hofstadter

• Two Cultures by C.P. Snow

• Moment to Breathe: Book of the Heart: Meditations for the Restless Soul by Meister Eckhart.

Poem: Opening the Heart's Door

Ours is not the work
of seeking You here
or there where we

think You might be,
but of opening
the heart’s door,

and when we do this
You cannot resist
coming in, since

our opening and Your
entering are one: You
knock and wait, and

when we open we
find that You were
there all along and

will not leave us.

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 19:50 – A Daisy in December by Mick MCauley & Winifred Horan. From the Album Serenade.

• Second Music Break at 30:34 – Angelic Choir by Allen Grey. Licensed by Envato Elements.
  
  

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Episode 102 - Christmas with Potter's Inn

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Today we are bringing a bit of Christmas peace and soul care to each of you - much needed as we all get busy with the season. 

This podcast has so many beautiful songs of the season, plus encouragement and moments of reflection from Steve. When you listen, try to find a quiet place where you can forget your stresses and anxieties of the day.

We have included a Christmas with Potter's Inn Guide for the episode, which includes all the songs lyrics and readings, and links to mentioned resources. Sing along/read along if you feel like it!

Mentioned in podcast

• DOWNLOAD our new APP!

READINGS & SCRIPTURE IN PODCAST

• A Liturgy to Mark the Start of the Christmas Season by Douglas McKelvey from Every Moment Holy

• Isaiah 9:6-7 (NIV)

• The Winter of Listening by David Whyte – from the book Essentials

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 00:52:48 – Away in a Manger (Piano Version) by Johannes Bornlōf / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

• Second Music Break at 8:13 – O Holy Night (Piano Version) by Johannes Bornlōf /courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

• Third Music Break at 21:41 – Silent Night, arranged Dan Forrest / from Beckenhorst Press

• Fourth Music Break at 38:28 – My Lord has Come, performed by Voces8 on the Album Lux / Decca Music Group limited  / Words and Music by Will Todd

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Episode 101 - 30 Days with the Potter

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Today's conversation is about Steve's new book 30 Days with the Potter. The book is an invite for you to explore the story of your clay—the awakening of your own spiritual formation and the formation of others around you.

Learn why Steve wrote 30 Days with the Potter and hear Steve read from his favorite sections. It’s the accumulation of 67 years of learning and growing with the Potter!

Mentioned in podcast

• 30 Days with the Potter: A Daily Meditation - Individual copies in paperback, hardcover, and Kindle.

• 30 Days with the Potter: A Daily Meditation - BULK Orders

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 17:42 - Ya Eres Mia (Now you are mine) from the Chamber Choir of Europe - Music by Morten Lauridsen | Words by Pablo Nerudo.

• Second Music Break at 40:43 – Deep Peace written by Bill Douglas, from the album Eternity's Sunrise.

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Episode 100 - Perplexity/Complexity to Harmony with Brian McLaren - Part 2

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“ I can either pretend and say things I don't really believe so that I'll fit in or I will be honest, even knowing that that's going to create some difficulties for me.” - Brian McLaren

SHOW NOTES

We're in the midst of a conversation with Steve and Brian McLaren, talking about the four beautiful heart stages and phases that all of us go through in life.

This episode is our 100th! And to celebrate we will have a giveaway of Steve’s NEW book “30 Days with the Potter.” Head on over to our Potter’s Inn Facebook page and look for a post celebrating our 100th episode - it will be up later today!

You are the reason we do this podcast, and we are so grateful you have been here, with us, for this soul care journey.

Special Guest Brian McLaren

Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member of The Living School and podcaster with Learning How to See, which are part of the Center for Action and Contemplation. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and is a co-host of Southern Lights. His newest book is Faith After Doubt, and his next release, Do I Stay Christian? (May 2022) can be preordered now.

Brian is married to Grace, and they have four adult children and five grandchildren. His personal interests include wildlife and ecology, fly fishing and kayaking, music and songwriting, and literature.

Brian McLaren’s Website

Mentioned in podcast

• Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren

• Moment to Breathe — An Approach to God: Losing my Religion by Rev. Dr. Doug Gay

  • Text

• The Four Stages of Faith Development that Brian described:

  1. Simplicity (Stage of Dualism) — You’re either for us or against us.  It’s all or nothing.

  2. Complexity — There’s more than one way to do things. Learning to think for yourself.

  3. Perplexity — Everyone has an opinion.  Who knows who is right?

  4. Harmony/Humility — Seek first God’s Kingdom; love God, love neighbors; unity.

MUSIC USED IN PODCAST

• First Music Break at 15:41 - Artist: Christian Andersen | Title: Big Passion | courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

• Second Music Break at 35:05 – Artist: Johannes Bornlof | Title: Godsend | courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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Episode 99 - Faith After Doubt with Brian McLaren - Part 1

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And so a big part of my life has been helping people find a way to stay Christian when the forms of Christianity they grew up with feel like a really badly fitting suit of clothes. -Brian McLaren

SHOW NOTES

Steve had an incredible conversation with author, pastor, theologian, and activist Brian McLaren and today is Part 1! Brian’s story resonates with so many of us who feel lost, confused, and in tension about all that is happening in the world and in our hearts.

This podcast will help you feel not so alone - we found Brian incredibly humble, honest, and wise. There's so much truth here - dive in and please, talk to us below in the comments. We would love to hear what you thought about today’s conversation.

Special Guest Brian McLaren

Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member of The Living School and podcaster with Learning How to See, which are part of the Center for Action and Contemplation. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and is a co-host of Southern Lights. His newest book is Faith After Doubt, and his next release, Do I Stay Christian? (May 2022) can be preordered now.

Brian is married to Grace, and they have four adult children and five grandchildren. His personal interests include wildlife and ecology, fly fishing and kayaking, music and songwriting, and literature.

Brian McLaren’s Website

Mentioned in podcast

• Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren

• The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill

• Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

• A Prayer for Enemies by Nikolaj Velimirović

• Moment to Breathe Music - from Psalms from Scotland: Psalm 139, set to the tune Highland Cathedral.

• The First 2 Stages of Faith Development that Brian described:

  1. Simplicity (Stage of Dualism)— You’re either for us or against us.  It’s all or nothing.

  2. Complexity — There’s more than one way to do things. Learning to think for yourself.

  (Stages 3 and 4 will be discussed next week in Part 2)

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Episode 98 - Eugene Peterson: Humble Servant - Part 2 with Winn Collier

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Today is Part 2 of Steve’s conversation with Winn Collier. They talk about The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, The Message, how Peterson navigated criticism, and more. You will want to pass this one along to your friends and family!

Special Guest Winn Collier

In addition to A Burning in My Bones, Winn Collier has authored four books (Restless Faith, Let God: The Transforming Wisdom of François Fénelon, Holy Curiosity, and Love Big, Be Well) and contributed to numerous other volumes. He has written for multiple periodicals including Christianity Today, Christian Century, Relevant, and the Washington Post.

A pastor for twenty-five years, Winn was the founding pastor of All Souls Charlottesville in Virginia. He now directs the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary in Michigan. He holds a PhD from the University of Virginia, where he focused on the intersection of religion and literary fiction. Winn and his wife, Miska, a spiritual director, live in Holland, Michigan, with their two sons.

Winn’s Website

Winn’s books:

• A Burning in my Bones: An Authorized Biography of Eugene Peterson

• Love Big and Be Well

• Restless Faith: Hanging On To a God Just out of Reach

• Let God: Spiritual Conversations with François Fénelon

Mentioned in podcast

• A Burning in my Bones: An Authorized Biography of Eugene Peterson

• Eugene Peterson’s Books

• The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill

• Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard

• Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination

• The Message

• Let God: Spiritual Conversations with Francois Fenelon

• Moment to Breathe with Joe Chambers

  • Excerpt from In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen.

  • Link to purchase In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen

  • Henri Nouwen’s Books

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Episode 97 - A Burning in my Bones with Winn Collier, Part 1

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If you want to cut to the core of who I am, I’d say this: I’m husband to the beautiful and graceful Miska Tolleson Collier. Miska is a spiritual director and yoga teacher, a poet-mystic and the person I most respect in this world. I’m dad to Wyatt and Seth, the two who’ve pulled strands of love out of me that I didn’t know existed. I’m friend to a few misty-eyed men and a few courageous women. I prefer what’s slow over what’s efficient. I’m suspicious of anyone who’s cock-sure. I’m weary of all the bullhorns. I’m partial to things that are worn and a bit ragged. I think truth is best told slant. I believe in hope. — Winn Collier

SHOW NOTES

Winn Collier is a pastor & author whose most recent book is “A Burning in my Bones,” an authorized biography of Eugene Peterson. While Winn does delve into Eugene’s life and the book, this podcast is really about Winn Collier: who he is, where he came from, how he got to this point in his life, and the difficult times we are living in.

Listen in and hear the heart of this man of faith.

Winn & Eugene Peterson

Special Guest Winn Collier

In addition to A Burning in My Bones, Winn Collier has authored four books (Restless Faith, Let God: The Transforming Wisdom of François Fénelon, Holy Curiosity, and Love Big, Be Well) and contributed to numerous other volumes. He has written for multiple periodicals including Christianity Today, Christian Century, Relevant, and the Washington Post.

A pastor for twenty-five years, Winn was the founding pastor of All Souls Charlottesville in Virginia. He now directs the Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary in Michigan. He holds a PhD from the University of Virginia, where he focused on the intersection of religion and literary fiction. Winn and his wife, Miska, a spiritual director, live in Holland, Michigan, with their two sons.

Winn’s Website

Winn’s books mentioned:

• Restless Faith: Hanging On To a God Just out of Reach

• A Burning in my Bones: An Authorized Biography of Eugene Peterson

• Love Big and Be Well

• Let God: Spiritual Conversations with François Fénelon

Mentioned in podcast

• Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination

• Book of Lamentations

• Wendell Berry's Books

• Subversive Spirituality by Eugene Peterson

• Chuck DeGroat - Chuck has been a guest on our podcast twice

• The Message

• Moment to Breathe with Kaylene Derksen

  • What to Remember When Waking by David Whyte

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Episode 96 - Nature and the Care of the Soul with Belden Lane, Part 2

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This season is all about Complex Conversations and how these conversations can help us buffet the fierce winds that are blowing in our lives.

SHOW NOTES

We are continuing the conversation with Steve and Belden Lane today.

Belden and Steve discuss why lament is absolutely necessary for each of us, and how lament is the way out of our national meltdown, our constant state of living on the edge in a frazzled world.

It is stunning, sobering, and powerfully hope filled - don’t miss this conversation!

Special Guest Belden C. Lane

Belden and his dog Joey

Belden C. Lane is a Presbyterian theologian who teaches on a Jesuit faculty at Saint Louis University. His interests include the relationship between geography and faith, wilderness backpacking in the Ozarks, the magic of storytelling, desert spirituality, exposing students to urban poverty through the Catholic Worker community, and the poetry of Rumi. He also works with men, helping to lead initiation rites through Richard Rohr's program for Men as Learners and Elders in Albuquerque.

He lives with his wife Patricia, a spiritual director and retired school teacher, in Saint Louis. Drawn to sacred places around the world, his travels have involved camping in Egypt, Ireland and the Virgin Islands; hiking in Greece, Hawaii, and Australia; and study in England, Israel and Mexico. For six years I served in the pastorate, from a village parish in western New York State to the historic First Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia. Some time ago he found himself delightfully introduced as a Presbyterian minister teaching at a Roman Catholic university telling Jewish stories at the Vedanta Society.

More about Belden

Belden’s Books:

• The Solace of Fierce Landscapes: Exploring Desert and Mountain Spirituality

• Ravished by Beauty: The Surprising Legacy of Reformed Spirituality

• Backpacking with the Saints: Wilderness Hiking as Spiritual Practice

• The Great Conversation: Nature and the Care of the Soul

Mentioned in podcast

• Apophatic and Cataphatic Tradition

• Walter Brueggemann on Psalms of Disorientation

• Richard Rohr’s Center for Action and Contemplation

• Illuman - Richard Rohr Ministry for Men

• Paula D’Arcy - Red Bird Foundation

• Paula D’Arcy’s book The Gift of the Red Bird

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Episode 95 - Nature and the Care of the Soul with Belden Lane, Part 1

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This season is all about Complex Conversations and how these conversations can help us buffet the fierce winds that are blowing in our lives.

SHOW NOTES

Warning: this podcast is not for the faint of heart!

It is not for those who attend church and equate that with the pilgrimage of the 4th century, when those who did not want to be swallowed by culture fled to the desert to not survive, but thrive!

It might undo you as it has undone me.

I talk with Belden Lane about the difference in being a spiritual pilgrim and a spiritual tourist. A tourist is one who sees enough to take a photo proving that they had been there. A pilgrim is one who pays the price of entering the wilderness, only to find themselves and God.

We speak of the dangers of social media where soul care is watered down by selling things, being merely consumers of the spiritual life rather than embracing wilderness. Emptying our self to live empty, broken, and void of ego. We spoke of “the greening of our faith.” Honoring nature as a portal to God the Creator.

It was like sitting with a prophet who was speaking out about the church, who has lost its soul.

Join us in today's conversation!

Special Guest Belden C. Lane

Belden and his dog Joey

Belden C. Lane is a Presbyterian theologian who teaches on a Jesuit faculty at Saint Louis University. His interests include the relationship between geography and faith, wilderness backpacking in the Ozarks, the magic of storytelling, desert spirituality, exposing students to urban poverty through the Catholic Worker community, and the poetry of Rumi. He also works with men, helping to lead initiation rites through Richard Rohr's program for Men as Learners and Elders in Albuquerque.

He lives with his wife Patricia, a spiritual director and retired school teacher, in Saint Louis. Drawn to sacred places around the world, his travels have involved camping in Egypt, Ireland and the Virgin Islands; hiking in Greece, Hawaii, and Australia; and study in England, Israel and Mexico. For six years I served in the pastorate, from a village parish in western New York State to the historic First Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia. Some time ago he found himself delightfully introduced as a Presbyterian minister teaching at a Roman Catholic university telling Jewish stories at the Vedanta Society.

More about Belden

Belden’s Books:

• The Solace of Fierce Landscapes: Exploring Desert and Mountain Spirituality

• Ravished by Beauty: The Surprising Legacy of Reformed Spirituality

• Backpacking with the Saints: Wilderness Hiking as Spiritual Practice

• The Great Conversation: Nature and the Care of the Soul

Mentioned in podcast

• Richard Rohr quote “from disorder to reorder to new order” - from his book The Wisdom Pattern: Order, Disorder, Reorder.

• Thomas Berry book on the Great Conversation - Befriending the Earth: A Theology of Reconciliation Between Humans and the Earth

• SNEAK PEAK: 30 Days with the Potter Devotional reading - Foundational Love of God (Text)

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Episode 94 - The Evangelical Diaspora: Getting out of our Boxes! Part 2

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This season is all about Complex Conversations and how these conversations can help us buffet the fierce winds that are blowing in our lives.

SHOW NOTES

We have Part 2 of The Evangelical Diaspora: Getting Out of our Boxes for you today. And honestly, it’s even deeper than Part 1.

NOTE: We highly recommend you listen to Part 1 first (FIND IT HERE) and then come back to hear the rest of the story in Part 2.

Part 2 continues with Greg and Steve, where Greg shares his story of change and breaking out of boxes that don't fit and beliefs that simply did not work for him any more.

Can you identify? 

This conversation just might become a road map for you to take some steps to deconstruct some boxes--which may be different from Greg's boxes or Steve's boxes but will help you to find the language and love to join in the process of deconstructing boxes you may be finding.

The pandemic, politics, racial stress, and economic challenge have all required new ways of thinking for all of us. No one gets a pass on not feeling like "something is not right...something is not working any more."  We hope this particular podcast will give you something to think about, something to argue with, and some much needed HOPE… plus some courage to take some steps that await you for a new beginning.

Special Guest Greg Farrand

Greg Farrand is the Executive Director at Second Breath Center, a Servant leadership school that focuses on moving beyond mere intellectual understanding of God, faith, and love to actually experiencing them with mind, heart, and body.

Greg attended Reformed Theological Seminary and worked in several unique ministry settings, including as a missionary in Uganda, and in campus ministry. Greg also served as founder and lead pastor of Spring Garden Community Church and as co-director of Selah Spiritual Formation, a nonprofit committed to facilitating spiritual direction and retreats.

Greg spent most of his early life living in Japan and Taiwan. He now lives in Greensboro, NC with his wife Beth, who works as a spiritual director. They have three grown sons. In his free time, Greg enjoys hiking and being in nature.

Mentioned in podcast

• Dallas Willard

• City of God by St. Augustine

• Richard Rohr

• The Five Solas (includes Sola Scripture mentioned in podcast)

• Last Chapter of the Book of Romans

• More of Greg’s Story - My Journey from a Conservative Presbyterian to a Progressive Episcopal Priest

• Second Breath Center

• 30 Days With The Potter Devotional (SNEAK PEAK) - The Place of Becoming (Text only)

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Episode 93 - The Evangelical Diaspora: Getting out of our Boxes! Part 1

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This season is all about Complex Conversations and how these conversations can help us buffet the fierce winds that are blowing in our lives.

SHOW NOTES

The Evangelical Diaspora: Getting Out of our Boxes is a raw, honest, and lively discussion between Steve and Greg Ferrand. It is a conversation where Greg shares his story of change and breaking out of boxes that don't fit and beliefs that simply did not work for him any more.

Can you identify?

There are few show notes. But listen well and listen often as this conversation just might become a road map for you to take some steps to deconstruct some boxes--which may be different from Greg's boxes or Steve's boxes but will help you to find the language and love to join in the process of deconstructing boxes you may be finding.

The Pandemic, politics, racial stress, and economic challenge have all required new ways of thinking for all of us. No one gets a pass on not feeling like "something is not right...something is not working any more."  We hope this particular podcast will give you something to think about, something to argue with, and some courage to take some steps that await you for a new beginning.

Special Guest Greg Farrand

Greg Farrand is the Executive Director at Second Breath Center, a Servant leadership school that focuses on moving beyond mere intellectual understanding of God, faith, and love to actually experiencing them with mind, heart, and body.

Greg attended Reformed Theological Seminary and worked in several unique ministry settings, including as a missionary in Uganda, and in campus ministry. Greg also served as founder and lead pastor of Spring Garden Community Church and as co-director of Selah Spiritual Formation, a nonprofit committed to facilitating spiritual direction and retreats.

Greg spent most of his early life living in Japan and Taiwan. He now lives in Greensboro, NC with his wife Beth, who works as a spiritual director. They have three grown sons. In his free time, Greg enjoys hiking and being in nature.

Mentioned in podcast

• More of Greg’s Story - My Journey from a Conservative Presbyterian to a Progressive Episcopal Priest

• Second Breath Center

• 30 Days With The Potter Devotional SNEAK PEAK - The Messy Art of Being Transformed (TEXT from reading in podcast)

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Episode 92 - Where Soul Meets World

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SHOW NOTES

Welcome to our sixth season of the Soul Care Conversations Podcast! Steve is anchoring the season with a thoughtful discussion on our theme of Complex Conversations – and how these conversations can help us buffet the fierce winds that are blowing in our lives. It’s all in learning to live with our soul and mind, while trying to find, with each other, foundational places where we can anchor ourselves. It’s a great discussion and introduction to what this season will be about.

Also included is a reading from our new devotional, 365 Days with the Potter, which will be launching this fall with our new Potter’s Inn App!

Mentioned in podcast

• Book - Faith After Doubt: Why Your Beliefs Stopped Working and What to Do About It by Brian McLaren

• Book - Backpacking with the Saints by Belden Lane

• Poem read in podcast - The Landscape is my Innerscape by Stephen W. Smith

• SNEAK PEAK: 30 Days with the Potter Devotional reading - Foundational Love of God

SUPPORT THE PODCAST

Donate Here for an individual contribution or on Patreon to set up monthly support.

CONTACT US

podcast@pottersinn.com

INTERESTED IN MORE SOUL CARE RESOURCES?

Check out our recommended reading, books on spiritual growth, and our soul care blog. Want to experience soul care in person? Learn more about our soul care intensives and retreats. 

JOIN THE CONVERSATION HERE!