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“ I can either pretend and say things I don't really believe so that I'll fit in or I will be honest, even knowing that that's going to create some difficulties for me.” - Brian McLaren
SHOW NOTES
We're in the midst of a conversation with Steve and Brian McLaren, talking about the four beautiful heart stages and phases that all of us go through in life.
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Special Guest Brian McLaren
Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a faculty member of The Living School and podcaster with Learning How to See, which are part of the Center for Action and Contemplation. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and is a co-host of Southern Lights. His newest book is Faith After Doubt, and his next release, Do I Stay Christian? (May 2022) can be preordered now.
Brian is married to Grace, and they have four adult children and five grandchildren. His personal interests include wildlife and ecology, fly fishing and kayaking, music and songwriting, and literature.
Mentioned in podcast
Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren
Moment to Breathe — An Approach to God: Losing my Religion by Rev. Dr. Doug Gay
The Four Stages of Faith Development that Brian described:
1. Simplicity (Stage of Dualism) — You’re either for us or against us. It’s all or nothing.
2. Complexity — There’s more than one way to do things. Learning to think for yourself.
3. Perplexity — Everyone has an opinion. Who knows who is right?
4. Harmony/Humility — Seek first God’s Kingdom; love God, love neighbors; unity.
MUSIC USED IN PODCAST
First Music Break at 15:41 - Artist: Christian Andersen | Title: Big Passion | courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
Second Music Break at 35:05 – Artist: Johannes Bornlof | Title: Godsend | courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
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